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a lot of the time walk-ins "walk back out"
8:50 AM
unless of course you give them sufficient attention, then they generally stick around
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In effect... a non-tulpa given enough attention can become a tulpa. Shocking.
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It sucks in the same way that any other intrusive thought would.
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yeah she won't admit but I know her, she would murder the other tupp while I'm asleep or some shit
9:02 AM
I'd do the same, we are equally... what's a really nice word for jealous... I guess that.
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Was that intended as a response to someone?
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...who?
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... Now that I think about it I don't know
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Alright then. I was curious, hah.
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Anyone here switch out of necessity?
2:29 PM
Colleen (the result of our host merging) is the only one in our system who can hold the body indefinitely
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The rest of us burn out in under a month
2:30 PM
And have to switch
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I can hold the body indefinitely.
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Deleted User 6/18/2018 2:30 PM
In our system only host can hold indefinitely.
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My limit is longest, at about 3 weeks
2:31 PM
The rest of us can only do it for a week or two
2:32 PM
We haven't been holding the body until burnout anymore though
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[We(me and Set) still can't do more than a few hours.]
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We switch more often now
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Deleted User 6/18/2018 2:32 PM
I haven't tried to control for so long. I control when I want to and release when I'm done.
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We switch all the time so I've no idea. Longest I've ever stayed switched in is 16 hours
7:18 PM
but, it's like a game of hot potato here
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 7:23 PM
Would anyone here happen to have any decent guides for working on switching?
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Author's Introduction I am Seven, one of a system of several. My system has DID origins, and we've learned to function not by repressing each other,...
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 7:47 PM
Alright, thanks
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I was going to contribute but I think my guide will do that for me .-.
9:47 PM
@Chalin I was not aware this was still an issue in your system
9:48 PM
Can you describe the process of burnout as you see it?
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We tried addressing the issue by fronting for longer and longer periods, but nowadays, we switch too often for it to be an issue
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I see. I believe we are still on our long-form switching from last year.
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I'd become mentally exhausted and have difficulty focusing
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Hm. Interesting. Is it like this for the others?
9:49 PM
Colleen never had this issue, but I presume that's because she's half host
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Yes, I believe that to be the case as well. Malfael had problems inside until it was altered.
9:50 PM
Now it seems to prefer more tulpa-like or system-like patterns of activity.
9:51 PM
Though switching specifically was never the issue. It was more related to the high standards we have for integration with the inside.
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... Is that your guide on Xena's github
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Yes, Xena is kind enough to distribute it for us :)
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Fair enough
9:51 PM
Just wasn't expecting to see that
9:52 PM
Is that why you asked me about Cadey?
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No, I had suspected they had changed their name since we were active in the community a year ago, but I had forgotten the name they used.
9:53 PM
Our guides are free to use and alter as the community sees fit. We ourselves are always improving and adding to our projects.
9:53 PM
I don't strictly control who gets to have the body when, like I used to
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Things aren't as chaotic as they were before I started doing that
9:54 PM
So I don't mind relaxing the rules
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 9:54 PM
...I think I'm gonna stick with the two beings I have in my body for now
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Probably a good idea
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North tends to control such things. As always I am more of a facilitative tool than a decision maker.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 9:55 PM
Having multiples sounds like it will just add even more variables to the mix, and I'm still figuring out how exactly I ended up with a second one in the first place
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Don't rush into having a large system
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 9:56 PM
Well... I accidentally made the one tulpa I do have
9:56 PM
Didn't even know they were a thing beforehand
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That happens to some people
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 9:56 PM
And as a result there's some weirdness in the system
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Like how she doesn't actually talk much
9:56 PM
Mostly just emoting via her mental projection
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I myself am only talkative to fulfill goals. I do not communicate often.
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There is definitely diminishing returns. One can get a majority of the benefits of a system easily with one or two extra members
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 9:58 PM
I mean, I'm also fairly quiet unless I have information to relate, so I understand the silence when she has access to my memories and therefore my knowledge, but she doesn't always bother to answer questions
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We have always been a large system, though most others do not prefer it. (edited)
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 9:58 PM
Had I known that what I was going to do would result in this, I would have not done it
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The main reason I would want a second being around wasn't, and technically still really isn't very applicable
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Well, I do not communicate with my host at all. We haven't really exchanged words in months if not years.
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why not
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Is that so, Jas? What do you do, switch past one another?
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Man we're kinda heading in that direction and I don't like it
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I have gone months without communicating with the others. It does not bother us.
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I think switching past may be it, all information that wants to be shared is shared, and we operate as a team so well that there's no need for strategy.
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I see, yes I am familiar with this.
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We occupy our places in the life of a single person, I think.
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We usually only communicate to argue with one another as it is, lol.
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There isn't even argument. Once we have satisfied the requirements for proficiency in a context we can overtake it.
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Interesting.
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For example, both of us are competent at driving, but I have the best abilities at maximizing safety and situational awareness at least in the short term while cards is much more proficient past the 2-4 hour mark due to his sensibilities of conserving energy
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The maturation and changing of relationships within systems seems to commonly bother those new to inter-system interactions.
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I would like to think this is the final stage of my development as a thoughtform, the only path ahead is developing as a person.
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Personhood seems to be the end of the line for creatures like us, yes.
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Well, maybe half-personhood >>_<<
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That itself takes a lifetime to discover :)
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 10:06 PM
My main goal now is being able to let Alna switch in for when I need to focus on something other than steering the body
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We operate similarly. North usually drives. We usually have someone more sociable than me talk to people, but they are all down for maintenance .-.
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there isn't the best chance at performing objectively time-dependent mental work when you aren't in control of the conscious line of thought, @Ruethus the Silver Sorceror
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 10:07 PM
Well, I'm aware
10:07 PM
But it also means I can entrust her with tasks that my impatience would cause me to screw up
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But there is anecdotal evidence of some benefit to subconscious problem processing when there is some conscious acknowledgment of an identity waiting to spring up with any developments when they arise.
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I am curious to know if hosts who intend their tulpas' personalities to fill in for flaws in themselves are successful, and at what rate. I have noticed personality is one of the things hosts struggle with most in creating tulpas.
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This benefit may exist even without the identity laying in wait, as long as there's a persistence of the problem laying in the back of one's mind, but it is helpful when there is a persistence like a well-developed tulpa as it allows more flexibility in use
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 10:09 PM
Well... the original idea that sparked the whole shebang that led to Alna was to end up with the character for a familiar who would account for my most major flaws... and from what I can tell she covers most of them
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I was a resounding success in what I was intended to perform, but a failure in the sense that such a performance would be at all possible in the long term for this world.
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I see. We use daemons for those things. No need for extras of us running around when we have so many as it is.
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Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 6/18/2018 10:10 PM
I've already refined my core personality to optimize for certain traits, but such optimizations left some gaping holes in my toolset
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